The Fightins'
Jul
07
2010
The Endless Debate
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If you have Twitter, and follow a metric shit ton of Phillies fans, you have probably seen countless arguments between those subscribing to sabermetrics and those who, well…don’t. Really, this stuff gets pretty heated. From Cole Hamels being a girl, to Ryan Howard’s contract, to (recently) Joey Votto not being an All-Star.

Whether you have Twitter or not you probably have seen an argument like this anyway. Well @CrossingBroad posted this hilarious video yesterday and it inspired me to make one like it showing what is actually being said between the “stat geeks” and the “uninformed traditionalist”. Honestly, these debates are hilarious to watch from an outside perspective.

  • http://crashburnalley.com/ Bill Baer

    The English accent on the SABRnerd absolutely makes this video.

  • Tess

    Great job Chris!!

  • http://www.chickphila.com ChickPhilA

    Thanks for the laugh @ lunch time here.

  • http://www.twitter.com/swift5648 Swift

    “Who are you, fucking Jeff Francouer?”

    I nearly pissed myself after that one. Well done Chris, well done.

  • http://www.cranktexts.com Adam Eaton

    PHYLAN IN CARTOON FORM! HOLY SHIT!

  • http://www.libertyballers.com The Artist Formerly Known As Michael Bourn

    Pretty sure I’ve had this argument with at least 10 people.

  • Phan Stuck in nyc

    “Who are you fucking Jeff Francouer?” HA! Best line in the thing. Nothing personal but it sounds like they just took some of Phylan’s posts & mixed them with other people’s responses.

  • Phan Stuck in nyc

    Damn I posted that before I saw Adam Eaton’s post! Pretty funny.

  • jake

    lol buttttt i mean i honestly think RBIs are the most important part of the game.

  • http://crashburnalley.com/ Bill Baer

    JAKE = CRETIN

  • http://twitter.com/Gaze_NJ Gaze_NJ

    Back of Baseball Cards > BaseballReference.com

  • Eric

    Fantastic.

  • Pat

    wait, is Jeff Franceour not good?

  • James Fayleez

    I knew it was good when the cap kid goes, “You look at his body?”
    best 3d cartoon i ever saw.
    every point was covered on both sides.

    fuck sabremetrics.

  • Pat

    fuck sabremetrics=bless ignorance

  • James Fayleez

    i can’t stop watching this.

    And yes, Pat. I would rather be blissfully ignorant and enjoy watching the game, then worrying about the guy who comes up after the guy on deck’s WAR.

  • YankeesSuckArod

    This shit is absolutely GENIUS!!!

    Know what I absolutely fucking hate about most stat-nerds? The fact that so many of them seem to think the statistics are 100% perfect and can never be wrong even a small percentage of the time.

    Advanced stats DO have a place in the game and are useful indicators of a players talent, but they should never be used as the be all and end all of everything.

    Games aren’t won on fucking stat sheets after all, and i’d hate to think that every won or lost game was due to some sort of “fluke”

  • Pat

    You’re right. Games are won due to some incredible, super-human “moral fiber” that enables some athletes to be amazing clutch performers while others flounder in the spotlight. If only all players could have this amazing super gene.

    @Fayleez, i know it may be hard for you to think AND watch the game, but some of us can handle it.

  • http://twitter.com/4who4what ScottGraham

    Sabrmetrics were invented by midwest fans who never had star players and winning teams so invented this bullshit in order to show how great their teams were on paper. Look at the columnists who support it, guys like Neyer who’s a Royals fan and hated the 08-09 Phillies because they flew in the face of his stats.

    It reminds me of when I watched wrestling in my early years and everyone would cheer for Hogan except for the nerds who would bitch about how there are all these obscure guys nobody heard of that were 100X better on paper and should be huge stars even though nobody ever heard of them.

  • Bozo

    So did anyone else get pissed at Tom Mcarthy for saying it’s a sellout cause the Braves are in town? He’s been pretty unbearable lately. Someone should remind him of the home sell out streak reaching close to 80 games in a row. Oh and I think they are trying to pull the “Is Roy throwing too much innings” thing back into the minds of fans. I think Marshall Harris asked it on pregame. I mean, what’s the difference of throwing 93 pitches in 6-7 innings and 93 pitches in 9 innings?

  • Stickaforkin’em

    There are lies, damn lies, and statistics!

    Sabremetrics informs, but it doesn’t play the game. While I believe in the theory behind the statistics, but you can’t rely solely upon them, otherwise, why play the games, let’s just run the season thru and decide who will be WS champs instead? No thanks, I’d rather watch and see whether whether JDub, the San Francisco Treat, or the Exxon Valdez can manage to deliver Big Brown from 3rd.

  • http://www.fangraphs.com Jack Moore

    Nope, Scott, the Brewers still fucking blow.

  • http://www.twitter.com/petzrawr Ryan

    Look, I know videos about statistics are good and all, but it can’t teach me anything I couldn’t learn from watching a video of a player. Also, hustle. Grit!

  • soundofphilly

    This is fucking brilliant.

    I only prefer players that are gamers and are scrappy.

  • http://www.thefightins.com meech.one

    I could totally beat that nerd’s ass.

  • http://crashburnalley.com/ Bill Baer

    ryan howard is fat lulzz!!11

  • http://phillieslongdrive.com/ Chris

    @Bill You check out dudes’ bodies?

  • James Fayleez

    I agree with Scott Graham and Fork.

    While the numbers don’t lie concerning past performances, you still have to go out and play the game. Just going by the numbers is like when I used to play Madden Football and would simulate the entire season to get to the Super Bowl.

    It’s stupid. and Mikey Miss agrees that i agree with him.

  • http://crashburnalley.com/ Bill Baer

    Mikey Miss would throw your ass in jail with his law degree that he got from Yale Widener.

  • Lynniemac

    My favorite part is “Ryan Howard is the best first baseman in baseball” *crosses arms, waits, uncrosses them*

    I needed the laughs today. Thanks, Chris.

  • http://twitter.com/howardeskin Howard Eskin

    I EAT COCK

  • Suz

    “You check out dudes’ bodies?”

    Hilarious.

  • http://twitter.com/waverider15 Bridge to Lidge

    That nerd reminds me of Keith Law.

  • Phan Stuck in nyc

    Bozo: Did anyone else get pissed at Tom McCarthy??? I seriously thought I was going to go through the tv at TMac and Wheels last night. I was having – like – these “Conspiracy Theory” flashes about hurting them and there’d be nothing left but Wheels’ rug on the floor of the booth for one of those CSI crime shows to use as evidence. I muted the sound. Didn’t make the game any easier to take but it brought it somehow calmed me.

  • Phan Stuck in nyc

    Sorry ’bout that last sentence. Crazy.

    SEE they even upset me at work thinking about them. I was beginning to wonder if it might be better to listen to a feed from Atlanta than them. That’s how bad they were.

  • James Fayleez

    you still watch with the sound up?

    i only turn the sound up for innings 4-6.

  • Lynniemac

    Cue someone reminding everyone that no one liked Harry at first, either or that T-Bag and Wheels aren’t as bad as announcers in other cities in 3…2…1…

  • Phan Stuck in nyc

    Seriously Lynnie last night they were like….bugs on my skin, pins sticking my arms. I wanted to cry at one point. I kept thinking GOD ALMIGHTY they can’t be screwing anyone to get this job like Cameron Diaz. I can’t stand to look at them for so much as a min, let alone 15 min. Who do they know? How can the rest of the country believe Phila fans are sooo bad when we put up with these two?!

  • Morandini’s Triple Play

    Sure Lynnie, people didn’t like Harry at first. But still, he was good. These mooks suck.

  • Greenman!

    so is that is Cartoon Phylan is the other one Cartoon Eric? or Cartoon Gonzo maybe?

  • Greenman!

    *if that is

  • http://twitter.com/4who4what ScottGraham

    I watch all my games on MLB.TV. I used to be really annoyed that I had to listen to the other team’s feed, but then Harry died and I listened to Wheels, Sarge and T-Mac more and was suddenly fine with hearing the other teams guys. Personally, I really enjoy the Mets broadcast team, mostly because it’s guys who aren’t just ex players but also really get the game. Sarge would lose a debate with a tree stump, and Wheels has never played at a pro level so why the hell is he qualified to do color commentary? He has zero insight I wouldn’t have gained other than watching the play on the field unfold with no commentary. What’s the fear in putting LA on TV? That he gets too angry? I literally go find the radio broadcast on demand so I can listen to his reaction to plays just like I used to seek out Harry’s calls. I almost exclusively listen to the radio feeds now.

    I miss my namesake. I dunno why they ran him out of town. His call of Todd Pratt’s game winning grand slam against the Red Sox was awesome, and he had a great back and forth with LA.

  • Lynniemac

    Phan stuck in Hell: I hit mute as soon as the Braves scored the first run. I usually do that at some point during every game, but last night I was real quick with the trigger finger.

    Morandini: I know. I wasn’t making those points myself, but genrally someone comes up with those whenever there are complaints about our broadcasters. The “our guys aren’t as bad as other teams’” argument means nothing to me. I don’t care how bad or good announcers are in other cities because I don’t have to listen to them day in and day out. Sure, I might complain about them when I occasionally watch an out-of-town game, but that doesn’t happen that often.

    And for anyone that might add the “Harry is gone, get over it, and stop comparing T-Bag to him” argument: I don’t dislike T-Bag because he’s not Harry. I dislike him because he sucks. I have absolutely no complaints when I listen to Scott Franzke on the radio, and he’s not Harry, either.

  • Morandini’s Triple Play

    +1 Lynnie, for the last paragraph.

  • Phan Stuck in nyc

    Scott: I watch the games on the MLB.tv feed too (unless I’m FORCED to watch Fox or ESPN). The schMuts guys don’t bother you – Hernandez doesn’t bother you? All he talks about is himself. I find a couple of the announcers from other cities unbearable but not necessarily worse than ours. They’re just bad AND against the Phillies.

    I don’t have a computer at home. I need to allocate the bucks to do that. Then I’ll be able to get Franzke & LA and I’ll comfortably be able to mute the tv. Unfortunately without commentary all I hear are MY SOBS.

  • Kenny Junod

    i needed that after the day I had

  • Stickaforkin’em

    “Sarge would lose a debate with a tree stump”

    and then he would wish it continued success!!

  • http://twitter.com/4who4what ScottGraham

    Honestly, in the last couple years I thought the Mets guys always went out of their way to rip the Mets while praising the Phillies. I remember a couple games last year where I think it was Hernandez, was basically saying “This is why the Phillies are the defending world champs, and the Mets can’t even fill this stadium.” I’m cool with Keith Hernandez talking about himself. Most ex-players do the “when I was playing” deal, except Hernandez was actually a great player so it’s interesting. The only guys I outright cant stand are the Cardinals broadcasters, because they go out of their way to mention “[player x] is hitting .167 all season with 0 RBI and 120 strikeouts, but listen to those fans giving him a nice ovation. He’d be getting booed in Philadelphia!” Don’t like the Braves team much either.

    To illustrate how much I hate T-Mac, I had the option of watching Monday’s game in HD on my PS3 with the Phillies broadcasters, or watching it in Standard Def on ESPN (don’t have HD service yet). I chose ESPN and Standard Def so I didn’t have to hear T-Mac and Wheels.

    I guess my problem is that I want my announcers to be gigantic, unapologetic homers who openly root for the Phillies, but also aren’t afraid to say how bad things are. Harry never pulled punches, neither did Whitey. T-Mac seems to be in that “don’t get too excited about plays” camp, while Wheels and Sarge are just company men who want to be buddies with the players. Franzke has that general homer “that was awesome” tone to all his calls, while LA loves the Phillies but also isn’t afraid to rip people who deserve it.

  • don

    I think Sarge is kind of senile. He’ll go off rambling about any random thing. I think if you had someone good beside him to either keep him focused or at least get him to tell funny stories, he’d be better, but T-Mac is such a no-nothing sycophantic patsie it doesn’t really work.

    T-Mac also loses track of what’s going on in the game way, way too often.

    I like the radio crew. I’d bring them in.

  • don

    @ScottGraham – I was down in NC last summer and caught a few games with the Braves crew. They’re a bunch of goddamn morons. Every warning track fly ball the Braves hit “would have been three rows deep in Citizens Bank Park”.

  • mvptommyd

    Watching this video made me hope the kid with the backwards hat would knock the glasses off that nerd’s face.

    Which brings me to how awesome it would be to see the following matchup in a steel cage match:

    Beerleaguer, Crashburn Alley and Phuture Phillies VS. The Fightins, The700Level and Zoo With Roy

    THAT WOULD BE EPIC!

  • JohnMatrix

    Jim Jackson gets very excited for the oposing team as well as the phils.

  • http://twitter.com/4who4what ScottGraham

    Don, even back in the TBS days the Braves announcers were terrible. Any highly touted rookie pitcher had “average” stuff, while anyone the Braves trotted out was the “heir apparent to Maddux and Smoltz.” followed by a shot of Maddux and Smoltz talking in the bullpen. They were completely smug assholes. But now, since the Phillies have succeeded and the Braves haven’t had much success, they fall back on the stale “Well, I guess if you hit 50 Homeruns, you can break the strike out record every year!” or “CBP is a small ballpark” cheap shots.

  • Phan Stuck in nyc

    Oh right – the Pissssburgh announcers did that hating on Philadelphia thing. They talked about the last time they were in the city (at the Vet) how “dangerous” the neighborhood was. In fact they had that conversation about bad areas of Phila as compared to “look how beautiful Pissssburgh is, and look how beautiful the new stadium is. They don’t have anything near this extraordinary in Philadelphia blah blah blah. I’m sure they’re jealous seeing these games on tv.” I couldn’t believe this crap came out of their mouths and nobody stopped them.

    Scott: “I guess my problem is that I want my announcers to be gigantic, unapologetic homers who openly root for the Phillies, but also aren’t afraid to say how bad things are. Harry never pulled punches, neither did Whitey.” This is it EXACTLY – this is what I want from them and we never ever get it. Be smart, use common sense in your love for the team. That’s all.

    Don: Every hit “would have been three rows deep in Citizens Bank Park”. A number of announcers in different cities have this issue. They have this idea that The Bank is the size of a thimble and THEIR PARK is magnificent, the size of Wyoming, a guy has to be a sooopah hero to hit a ball outta there. Freaking dipshits.

  • JohnMatrix

    haha TBS!! that takes me back. god i hated don sutton so much. homer assholes.

  • http://twitter.com/4who4what ScottGraham

    The absolute worst year to watch a Braves-Phillies game on TBS was the first Greg Jefferies year (I think 95), where the Phils had a huge lead in the East, and then completely collapsed after the ASB and ended up finishing something like 20 games behind the Braves. Carey, Sutton and van Wieren were so obnoxiously smug about that. I actually couldn’t bring myself to like Harry Carey due to my hatred of Skip Carey.

  • JohnMatrix

    sutton still has that douchebag jerry curl mullet too!

  • JL3

    I’m down here in SW Virginia, and have been a lifelong Phillies fan. As a kid in the late 70′s my world stopped on Saturdays when the NBC game of the week (right after NWA wrestling) included the Phillies, and of course there was the ’80 team. I was on a trip in Hawaii with my parents when they won, but the game was tape delayed there so my brother and I wanted to call back to my Grandmother in Cherry Hill to see if they won. I would get to watch the Phillies, and hear HK, when I visited family in PA over the summers. However, it wasn’t until last season that I finally shelled out the money for the MLB Extra Innings package.

    While it’s great to catch almost every Phils game now (but what’s up with MyPhil17 games, I never get those?) I can understand the grips about T-Mac, Wheels and Sarge. They aren’t as bad as some of the other broadcast teams that I’ll have to listen to because of MLB Extra Innings, but I agree that doesn’t have to be used as an excuse for T-Mac and crew. I hate to admit it, but probably the best NL crew out there is the Mets. Maybe its b/c I’m a huge Seinfield fan that I can put up with “I’m Keith Hernandez”, but as former players go he does bring a pretty good perspective.

    Anyway, if anyone has made it this point I have one question for someone outside of Philly… are Franzke and LA’s broadcasts streamed live? I’d like to put the tv on mute and listen to those guys if it’s possible. There is hardly a game I watch, when the opposing team’s broadcast crew is announcing the game, where they don’t mention LA. A lot of them talk about HK of course, and some even bring up some amusing Sarge story – especially in Chicago – but I’d like to catch Franzke and LA because sometimes T-Mac will make my skin crawl.

  • Cole Hamels is A-OK

    I recently bought a surround sound system that has AM radio and unfortunately the radio is ahead of the TV when I try to use both. (I have Comcast HD).
    I guess even if you had DVR you still wouldn’t be able to sync it up because the radio feed actually is ahead of the TV.
    If anyone else has been able to make it work tho i’d love to hear how…

  • Cole Hamels is A-OK

    Oh and I actually like Wheels. Not as much as LA or anything but I’ve been able to get past his dorky comments and find some good insight here and there.
    T-Mac is terrible obv.

  • http://twitter.com/4who4what ScottGraham

    JL3, you don’t get the MyPhil ones because I believe those are just away games and the extra innings package always you always get the home feed. it’s the same way on MLB.TV

    You can pay for MLB gameday on mlb.com and that will give you audio feeds for both team’s radio broadcast, or if you have an iphone or any phone that supports android, you can buy the “MLB At Bat” app and that has gameday and steaming audio, which is how I’ll listen to games in the car. It’s about $14 for the app, but that’s a one time fee.

  • Cole Hamels is A-OK

    Franzke + a tree stump > T-Mac + Sarge
    (and it’s not even close)

  • JL3

    SG, I didn’t think about At Bat… I just got an Android phone so maybe I’ll try that out.

    And actually with Extra Innings I’ll get the CSN feed for some of the away games, but I’ve never received the My17 feed even when it’s an away or home game. So might you would think Extra Innings would give me the the opposing teams feed. I almost went with MLB.tv this year, but my LCD tv is about 5 years old and doesn’t have HDMI inputs. I didn’t what to go from watching the game on a 50″ screen to a 14″.

  • dlhunter

    Red Eye did it first.

  • Milton and His Stapler

    I hope ScottGraham is making a joke, because otherwise he is easily the dumbest person in the world.

  • Sarge’s Ballboy

    Calm down there Cole, Sarge is a God.

  • James Fayleez

    @Cole hamels is A-Ok

    Please give me an example of the insight you get from Chris Wheeler during a game. What does he teach you that you don’t already know?

  • Ghettoduce

    Statistics are used by baseball fans much the same way as a drunk leans against a street lamp; it’s there more for support than enlightenment. – Vin Scully

  • TonyIsDynamic

    I love how the people who hate T-Mac/Sarge/Wheels want them dead, then talk about having *COMMENTARY OPTIONS*.

    Just pick the other option.

  • TonyIsDynamic

    Also, all this video does is remind me of the hilarious war between Mikey Miss and Keith Law

    “HOWARD IS THE MOST PREEMINENT SLUGGER IN THE GAME”
    “Yeah, but what does that MEAN?”
    “HOWARD IS THE MOST PREEMINENT SLUGGER IN THE GAME”
    “Yeah but JESUS MONTERO”
    “JESUS MONTERO?!?! GET OUT OF HERE WITH JESUS MONTERO”

  • The little phillies pencil

    yeah, busted! put away your calculator and watch the game

  • http://twitter.com/4who4what ScottGraham

    Also, does anyone here keep score when they’re at the game? Like, actually fill out the scorecard? That used to annoy the hell out of me when I would go to games as a kid and my friend would bust out the pencil and program, but I haven’t seen anyone do it in years.

  • TonyIsDynamic

    Phils win tonight because Chris did the right thing.

    Bank on it.

  • Milt Thompson

    No gameday thread mocking the Braves?

    Maybe we’ll only need one solo HR tonight.

  • Dubee Dubee Du

    Did somebody say fuck the jinx?

  • Milt Thompson

    What was that Martin Prado hit? The Braves are stealing our gameplan!

  • TonyIsDynamic

    Sigh. So close.

  • TonyIsDynamic

    I hate this team.

  • Dubee Dubee Du

    Come on Milt what’s with the damn warning track power the last few games?

    Shane bunting on his own? Cause it looked like Jimmy wasn’t expecting it.

  • wilx

    mmm pie charts!

  • game5

    Fuck the Braves. And the Mets. Oh, and the Pirates, the Reds, the Mets again, the fucking Cardinals, Twins, Sawks, and fuck Wheels. Now get a fucking hit.

  • TonyIsDynamic

    Grand Slam.

  • Milt Thompson

    This guy is having control issues so whatever you do, Dobbs, don’t take any pitches.

  • Milt Thompson

    Good job, Greg. None of those were strikes but walking is for pussies.

  • UtleysBadHip

    Dobbs getting a hit, letalone a clutch hit is a pipe dream, unfortunately.

  • will.H

    2 straight leadoff doubles.. wtf

  • UtleysBadHip

    Right now, when anyone but Rollins is up with RISP and two outs, I expect the worst, sorry to say. Still can’t believe Werth struck out looking last night with the go-ahead run, Howard, on third…

  • will.H

    tres doublaaayss

  • TonyIsDynamic

    Rollins won’t be fucking DENIED tonight

  • wilx

    fuck yeah, good to see him steppin’ up

  • wilx

    now time for jamie to get in the groove

  • Milt Thompson

    Good work Shane, really makin’ the Braves feel welcome by hitting all those choppers. If you want, start groundin’ em to third and we’ll rename them “chippers”

  • UtleysBadHip

    rollins just proved my point.

  • Don Sutton

    That ball would of been gone in Citizens Bank Park.

  • RedBurb

    who is the blonde behind home plate with the yellow shirt on?

  • Nick

    I love the Diamondbacks crew. I wish the Phils had them. Mark Grace is the bomb

  • will.H

    shame Werth was one of the best outfieldres in the national league before 2010, now he wont even sniff the AS Game. Hope the fact that goofy ball players like Corey Hart are runnin shit while hes at home wakes him up.

  • Dubee Dubee Du

    @ RedBurb- Come on man you know who it is. Why you playing that game?

  • RedBurb

    i dont know her, i would like to know her though

  • John Matrix

    more wasted oportunities. god this is unreal.

  • Skip

    You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you?

  • Braves2010NLChamps

    Anyone wanna help me wipe Ryan Howard’s jizz off my face?

  • Don Sutton

    That ball would have been out in Citizens Bank Park.

  • Milt Thompson

    Nice one, Ryan! Next time make sure there’s no runners on base, though.

    Sabermetrics says you suck, though.

  • Brian McCann

    I’m filing a formal complaint with Selig – that home run shouldn’t count on this high school field.

  • http://twitter.com/MPenn35 Matt

    Who invited the Jersey Shore doucebags to the game? They were so stoked after that Howard homer, bro!

  • http://twitter.com/MPenn35 Matt

    *doucHebags

  • Milt Thompson

    That was only a homer because of our small park!

  • John Matrix

    did mccann get lasik?

  • TonyIsDynamic

    Don’t feel good about this…

  • TonyIsDynamic

    Called it.

    Now I have to hear about the Braves fucktards.

  • Phils Phan

    Can Phillies pitchers ever have an inning where they don’t give back runs?

  • http://phillieslongdrive.com/ Chris

    Sure is a good thing I didn’t fuck with the opposing pitcher’s picture!

  • Milt Thompson

    Someone ask Ruben what happened to that pitcher we had for a while last year. I don’t even pay attention to Pitchers unless they hit Solo Homeruns like my boy Joey B, but Ruben should get that guy to come in and pitch.

  • TonyIsDynamic

    Ehhhhhhhhhhhh alright.

    This season’s over.

  • John Matrix

    and this ones oover

  • will.H

    watching the braves celebrate in the dugout like they’ve just clinched the pennant is pretty aggrivating

  • TheOtherJim

    Did I miss something there? Moyer gets an ovation for giving up 7 runs? Since when have we as fans gotten so fucking soft?

  • Phils Phan

    First, the Braves haven’t won anything yet. Congratulations on some victories over a battered and slumping Phillies team.

    Second, I sincerely hope Bobby Cox dies tomorrow. And that God rests his soul. You know, to be classy.

  • TonyIsDynamic

    Lets go Mets. Yeah, I said it.

    LET’S. GO. METS.

    Remember how the KKK said they’d rather have Obama be Preisdent than Hilary?

    Yeah.

    The METS are better than these Braves faggots.

  • Braves2010NLChampions

    At the game right now and laughing at the Phillies while yelling at Jayson Werth for being a scumbag.You all might wanna read this article about Werth and Jen Utley fucking eachother http://www.phightinphils.com/2010/07/jayson-werth-and-jennifer-utley-having-an-affair.html

    As I typed this on my iPhone Diaz hits his 1st hr of the season making it a 7-3 game with no Phillies offense and shitty as Baez coming into the game.6 games back!

  • John Matrix

    and the game rests on the shoulders of danys baez. FUCK YOU RYAN MADSON

  • Phils Phan

    No self-respecting Phillies fan would ever root for the Mets. Vagina.

  • ……

    So basically, that article is purely fabricated off of a stupid rumor.

    “The source certainly seems very credible” = Created bullshit that can’t be accredited to any person in particular.

  • TonyIsDynamic

    No. I am.

    “Self-respecting Phillies fan?”

    The Braves are not only a more annoying team, but they’ve tormented this franchise for a MUCH longer period of time than this manufactured “Phillies-Mets Rivalry”.

    Also, their fans are more annoying.

    Yes they are.

  • TonyIsDynamic

    Also, it’s not so much “The Mets” as it is “Any Team That Plays The Braves”.

    If it’s the Mets, then yes. I will root for the Mets on priniple that they’re playing the Bravea.

  • Joe

    Seriously, fuck the guys who think the season is over.

    “On the morning of Sept. 13, 2007, the Phillies trailed the Mets by seven games with 17 games to play.”

    Remember that? No, you don’t, because you probably didn’t follow the team much before that. We haven’t even gotten to the All-Star break and you’re already jumping ship. It’s one thing if this team was a bunch of proven chokers year-in and year-out…but last I checked, we’re two-time defending NL Champs and won the World Series in 2008 with roughly the same core of players we have now.

    These are the times that try men’s souls! We shall overcome! I have a dream! Life is like a box of chocolates! Shit happens, and who ya gonna call?!

  • wilx

    Well said, Joe.

  • TonyIsDynamic

    Joe…you’re a fucktard for severals reasons. Let me list those reasons.

    1. That was two years ago. Get the fuck over it.
    2. That was two years ago. We’re not only chasing the Mets, we’re chasing the BRAVES. That’s two teams we’re chasing.
    3. That was two years ago. Back when we were dealing with one or two injuries. We’re starting Greg Dobbs, Dane Sardinha and Wilson Valdez as everyday players.
    4. That was two years ago. Every team in this division is better, even the cellar dwellers.
    5. That was two years ago.

  • lala

    valdez grounds into so many double plays and when dobbs actually gets on base too!

  • will.H

    dobbs, valdez, sardinha can’t produce. Oh hey, here comes Figueroa to keep the game close..

  • Peter, Egon, Raymond, and Winston

    Us!

  • http://www.twitter.com/swift5648 Swift

    @will.H, your sarcasm is so thick I could cut it, and spread it on my morning toast.

  • Sophie

    <3 Nelson

  • TonyIsDynamic

    Now hopefully Sherry shuts the fuck up about Jamie Moyer.

  • John Matrix

    you have to be able to tell the difference between jumping ship and insanely frustrated. more is expected of this team. id acutally prefer if they would have lost opening day and sucked the first month.

  • RicoBrogna

    This team is playing old and tiresome. The Braves are doing a better Phillies impersonation then this current team is. The Braves are solid in the bullpen with a shutdown closer and are smacking home runs all over the joint as well as expecting to win. Sound familiar? It should because that’s how the Phillies used to play.

  • Joe

    Tony,

    Don’t call yourself a fucking fan since you’ve given up. In fact, why are you even bothering to post a comment other than to wallow in your own shit about this team?

    Yea, it was two years ago, but I’m not living the fucking glory days. Yea, we’re chasing two teams, one which had a 9-game losing streak this season, and the other which has been quite injury prone and had some good luck. And good lord the sky isn’t fucking falling because we have 2 or 3 key injuries. And sure, the Nats are a better team, once every five days. And the Marlins? Please.

  • Braves2010NLChampions

    Cool posing as me guys.The only dude’s jizz I’d want anywhere near me would be Prado’s ya know that guy who hit 2 HR tonight and is filling in for pussy ass Utley at the AS game who is crying about his thumb and can’t please his wife so she had to turn to his “friend” and teammate? Only a shitty team would let their drama from off the field effect their performances on the field.

  • ……

    “The only dude’s jizz I’d want anywhere near me would be Prado’s”

    gay

  • dlhunter

    LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE LET THE TROLL STARVE

  • John Matrix

    americas got talent is on. that would less gay than routing for the mets.

  • http://www.twitter.com/swift5648 Swift

    Need I remind you my fellow Phillies fans.

    JUST IGNORE THE MOTHERFUCKING TROLL, EVENTUALLY HE’LL WHITHER AWAY AND DIE!!!
    JUST IGNORE THE MOTHERFUCKING TROLL, EVENTUALLY HE’LL WHITHER AWAY AND DIE!!!
    JUST IGNORE THE MOTHERFUCKING TROLL, EVENTUALLY HE’LL WHITHER AWAY AND DIE!!!
    JUST IGNORE THE MOTHERFUCKING TROLL, EVENTUALLY HE’LL WHITHER AWAY AND DIE!!!
    JUST IGNORE THE MOTHERFUCKING TROLL, EVENTUALLY HE’LL WHITHER AWAY AND DIE!!!
    JUST IGNORE THE MOTHERFUCKING TROLL, EVENTUALLY HE’LL WHITHER AWAY AND DIE!!!
    JUST IGNORE THE MOTHERFUCKING TROLL, EVENTUALLY HE’LL WHITHER AWAY AND DIE!!!
    JUST IGNORE THE MOTHERFUCKING TROLL, EVENTUALLY HE’LL WHITHER AWAY AND DIE!!!
    JUST IGNORE THE MOTHERFUCKING TROLL, EVENTUALLY HE’LL WHITHER AWAY AND DIE!!!
    JUST IGNORE THE MOTHERFUCKING TROLL, EVENTUALLY HE’LL WHITHER AWAY AND DIE!!!
    JUST IGNORE THE MOTHERFUCKING TROLL, EVENTUALLY HE’LL WHITHER AWAY AND DIE!!!

    This has been your daily troll advisory warning, we now return you to your regularly scheduled programming

    Thank you.

  • TonyIsDynamic

    “Yea, we’re chasing two teams, one which had a 9-game losing streak this season”

    Yeah, and our offense scored 7.5 runs a game this season

    “and the other which has been quite injury prone and had some good luck.”

    Same was us! Luck…………….not so much. Or at all.

    “And good lord the sky isn’t fucking falling because we have 2 or 3 key injuries.”

    Try 6 injuries. Our All-Star 2nd baseman, our All-Star 3rd baseman, our starting catcher, one of our starters, and two of the only three guys in our bullpen that have been there for more than 2 years. Let’s not forget our starting shortstop missing TWO chunks of the season.

  • Braves2010NLChampions

    Oh and you’re fans have turned soft.No one has said anything to me as I scream to Werth “fucking scumbag”,How is Mrs.Utley bed?”, “Your wife is hotter than Jen.I’d bang her!”,”How are your two kids dealing with this?!”.

  • TonyIsDynamic

    T-Mac: Phillies trailing by “just 4″…

    I’m a T-Mac apologist but he can fuck off for that.

  • Johan Santana

    Ju tell eem mohn.

  • RicoBrogna

    Solo homeruns are a milt thompson specialty! Way to go Milt!

  • http://www.twitter.com/swift5648 Swift

    Haven’t heard from Milt in a while come to think of it.

  • RicoBrogna

    I miss milt’s words of hitting wisdom!

  • RicoBrogna

    oh look it’s 0-2 on ibanez! whatta surprise!

  • Joe

    I was about to retort, but then I realized trolls can pretend to be fans. Sorry guys.

  • HereWeGoAgain

    What does Uncle Cholly say? Every team is guaranteed 61 wins and 61 losses, the rest is what determines October. (…or something along those lines.) Since we have 61 of neither yet, lets all take a deep breath.

    Keep the faith and fuck the Mets.

  • dlhunter

    The Fightins game chats are sliding off a cliff.

    Complaining is fine, but brokenhearted fair weather fans should just go back to not giving a fuck.

    I remember Ron Gant. And Robert Person. And Travis Lee.

    So. Fuck. Off. With. Your. Bullshit.

  • RicoBrogna

    There’s still a bunch of baseball left but i just hate the hole the phils are digging themselves into. It’s not over and i know none of us here have giving up on the season but we are phillies fans so we have the patience of a one year old.

  • RicoBrogna

    dl you don’t remember me?

  • Beefy middle fingers girl

    Will some one buy me a schmitter if I flash my mams?

  • Minty Fresh

    “He’s really underrated as a catcher too.”

    HEY WHEELS, MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO SUCK HIS COCK.

  • crazy4swayze

    sausage fingers…you just made my night. schmitter on me.

  • Uncle Charlie’s hands

    My hitting coach in HS is just like Milt. I used to choke up on the bat and bat like over .350 with no HR and a walk per game. And then “Milt” came in and I batted under .200 with about 5 HR and no walks per game. That really changed my life. I experienced the thrills of strolling around the bases. I banged many chicks since then, and I helped with animal adoptions. I vote now, I’m a law abiding citizen and drive a Lancer Evo. Things wouldn’t turn out the same if “Milt” didn’t came along

  • RicoBrogna

    i always liked robert person. remember pat combs and tyler greene?

  • dlhunter

    RicoBrogna- I don’t have the time to list every asshole.

  • dlhunter

    Kevin Stocker & Kevin Jordan

  • RicoBrogna

    dl i drove in over 100 runs for two straight years thank you very much. Then some dude named Pat Burrell got called up to replace me. So i went off to the red sox and finished my illustrious career as a fuckin Brave. Thanks a lot Pat.

  • RicoBrogna

    Wayne Gomes

  • will.H

    ry..ryan howars in the houuuse! haha tmac

  • dlhunter

    Gomes is a good one.

  • dlhunter

    Desi Relaford

  • RicoBrogna

    Anyone remember Ron Jones?

  • dlhunter

    And the knockout:

    Rob Ducey, Brian Hunter, and…..REGGIE TAYLOR.

  • RicoBrogna

    Wow classic!
    Tyler Houston, Jason Michaels and Charlie Hayes!

  • RicoBrogna

    Man I love this team! What a buncha shitty teams the phils fielded before this current group!

  • http://www.twitter.com/swift5648 Swift

    My era extends from Daulton and Dykstra, to Glanville and Gant, to now. I’ve had my fair share of dark ages.

  • http://www.twitter.com/swift5648 Swift

    Kevin Sefcik Mofos!

  • Beefy middle fingers girl

    This heat is brutal. The phils ought to take a page out of the birds book and employ the pickle juice. I got some right in my crack.

  • dlhunter

    I find it necessary to occasionally remind myself what a bastard Ed Wade is.

  • Dubee Dubee Du

    I remember Johnny Briggs, Larry Hisle, Joe Lis, Roger Freed, and Oscar Gamble. Wish I didn’t.
    Shit Clay Dalrymple, Tony Gonzalez, Ruben Amaro SR. This is pathetic now. Thanks dlhunter

  • Cole Hamels is goot

    Robert Person was cool cus whenever he got into trouble he would just hit people

  • RicoBrogna

    Swift, Nice! I started a lil before with Schmitty and Hayes. Good times at the Vet! With Don Carmen on the mound and Jeff Stone patrolling the outfield!

  • will.H

    Tony Barron

  • will.H

    Dave Dellucci

  • http://www.twitter.com/swift5648 Swift

    Bobby Estalella

  • Greg Legg

    You all are a bunch of whiners.

    I spent the better half of my playing days in Scranton. Yes–Michael Scott’s Scranton.

    Do you know hard it is to get tail telling a broad you’re a “Red Baron”? They thought I sold fucking pizzas.

    My “shining moment” was having a AAA franchise retire my number. And you know what happened? The unnamed owners of your beloved organization moved the team to Allentown, and the Yankee fucks that took over the stadium not only took down my number but also reissued it.

    So the Phillies are losing. Boo fucking hoo.

    At least you’re not me.

  • will.H

    Kevin Sefcik’s diving catch in Boston

  • http://www.twitter.com/swift5648 Swift

    Oh… and Mark Portugal!

  • RicoBrogna

    Greg Legg, i forgot about you! Speaking of Greg’s i remember Kevin Gross and Greg Gross. Not related.

  • lala

    this is when we need Matt Stairs.

  • RicoBrogna

    Fernando Valenzuela

  • http://www.twitter.com/swift5648 Swift

    @Greg Legg, +1 as consolation.

  • dlhunter

    Todd “Roids ‘N Beer” Pratt

  • Braves2010NLChampions

    Wouldn’t it be funny if this turns into some Tiger Woods like cheating scandal and we find out Werth is also banging Shane’s fatass wife & Cole’s husband.

  • dlhunter

    Also, nary 4 years ago, the best reliever on our team was a French Canadian.

    Rheal Cormier ftw.

  • RicoBrogna

    Jeff Parrett

  • Marc Bombard

    I managed most of you assholes.

  • http://www.twitter.com/swift5648 Swift
  • Gene Schall

    @ Greg Legg:

    Greg! You’re alive! Remember that time we double-teamed that waitress at the Stadium Club Restaurant? And told her you wanted wing sauce on your Third Legg? Shit. Those were the days.

  • Uncle Charlie’s hands

    where the fuck is Greg Gross when we need him?

  • wilx

    damnit

  • dlhunter

    Jason Michaels is still playing the bigs? I forgot about that cop puncher…

  • http://www.twitter.com/swift5648 Swift

    So I was flipping around in my 1997 Phillies Media Guide, and guess who I found in the Phillies Minor League system, the only one listed who’s still playing.

    A young, James Calvin Rollins. HAHAHA!

  • Dubee Dubee Du

    Del Unser was the homerun threat off the bench at that time

  • RicoBrogna

    dl, michaels prefers the larry anderson nickname J-Mike.

  • TonyIsDynamic

    Reggie Taylor

  • TonyIsDynamic

    Nothing would be more awesome than a walkoff off Billy Wagner.

  • dlhunter

    TonyIsDynamic- been there, done that.

  • http://www.twitter.com/swift5648 Swift

    Eww… so I flipped through that 1997 Media guide, and found someone I wish I hadn’t.

    Adam… Thomas… Eaton.

  • crazy4swayze

    i always enjoyed danny tartabull’s tenure as a phil.

  • TonyIsDynamic

    Then I’ll blow your minds with this one.

    DAVID COGGIN

  • dlhunter

    @Swift

    You now need to throw 3 handfuls of salt over your left shoulder while doing the sign of the cross.

  • Dubee Dubee Du

    Jerri curl = ???

  • Phils Phan

    J.P. Roberge

  • dlhunter

    Holy shit, you dropped the Cogg bomb.

  • RicoBrogna

    crazy, and that was ed wade’s big free agent signing that year.

  • lala

    sooo close.

  • dlhunter

    Doug Nickle. And that nutcase who chewed licorice and brushed his teeth between innings.

  • Sean Wooten

    Remember me, assholes?

  • TonyIsDynamic

    Get him to the plate boys.

  • Andy Ashby

    Philly fans can suck my fucking nuts.

  • http://www.twitter.com/swift5648 Swift

    @RicoBrogna, what’s crazier is that Ed Wade has a job somewhere.

  • RicoBrogna

    Hard Hittin Mark Whiten

  • will.H

    Pedro Martinez

  • Bruce Chen

    Hey guys! I’m still relevant! I had a perfect game thru 6 the other day!

  • RicoBrogna

    Swift,
    Ur absolutely right. it’s mind bogglin y a major league team would hire ed wade to run their team. Unless they want him to run it into the ground.

  • Jim Rushford

    I would have started at 1st for the Phillies, but Jim Thome, Ryan Howard, and a sack of baseballs blocked my route.

  • will.H

    this verson of the braves reminds me of the 2007 dancin mets.

  • RicoBrogna

    i really don’t like melky, prado and of course i still really hate larry jones

  • Phils Phan

    Oh well, reminiscing about Legg, Schall, et al. made this loss bearable.

  • Braves2010NLChampions

    50 WINS! 6 games up on the Phillies.Great series right guys?!

  • TonyIsDynamic

    Chad Ogea. Remember pithched like, a whole season with us?

  • TonyIsDynamic

    Remember Ricky Bottalico guys?

    Well, fondly remember over him because I think he’s ready to commit suicide.

  • RicoBrogna

    I’m trying to forget that Ogea was ever a Phillie

  • Phils Phan

    Know what’s funny? Through all those (objectively) awesome Braves teams, the won only one World Series. The Atlanta Bills, you might say.

  • dlhunter

    Jim Rushford? Holy shit. Jim Rushford. Also, TURK FUCKING WENDELL.

  • TonyIsDynamic

    Remember that episode of King Of The Hill where his old high school team lost a game and for like 20 years, the guys that won would come to town and gloat until one day they replayed the game and Hanks team won?

    Then they showed it a year later when one of the guys who won the game back then and gloated was at work, Hank and his friends showed up with the trophy and taunted him while he was at work?

    That’s how I feel the season will end. Hank Hill’s team being the Phillies, the Braves being the other team.

  • RicoBrogna

    Dennis Cook

  • Erin

    That was deflating. But in other news…the Phils are on Food Network bahahaha.

  • dlhunter

    Dennis Cook is now Head Coach of…Sweden’s National Baseball Team?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Cook

    Holy hell. I guess a man’s gotta eat.

  • Phils Phan

    @ dlhunter:

    Cue Howard Eskin.

  • Hispanic Howard Eskin

    YO COMER POLLA

  • Uncle Charlie’s hands

    I feel left out so I’ll just say fucking Travis Lee

  • Greenman!

    Hey Braves2010ButtfuckingChampions looks like you were too busy posting on here to go to the game faggot.

  • MooseWithFleas

    I see your Billy Brewer and raise you Jeff Juden. Phils management sure loved alliteration in the 90′s…

    Alex Arias
    Randy Ready
    David Doster
    Mike Mimbs
    Brad Brink
    Steve Schrenk

  • Mark

    2 Marlons on one team. A Byrd and an Anderson. And I still have a hard time remembering which one looked like he could care less getting ready to see a pitch when standing in the box.

  • TonyIsDynamic

    Mark, strange that all those years later, one of those Marlons is an All-Star this year…

  • J

    Okay. This video is classic. Love the “he agreed that I agreed with him” line.

    And agreed with comment #1, the accent absolutely MAKES this video. Everything the sabremetics guy says is that much funnier. “Everything you are saying right now is beneath me!”

    “Who are you? Fucking Jeff Franceour? I can’t believe you just said that.”

  • TonyIsDynamic

    I disagree, J.

    The best line is hands down, “I don’t understand that, so I’m scared of that and attack it”.

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    Well done, everyone. Well done.

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